Chevalier

An opinionated curmudgeon (YOMV) in Dallas, Texas, blogging primarily about "pay for play," P4P

A new term

Posted by Chevalier on April 16, 2009

I ran across a new term relating to P4P (although not exclusively) today.  Well, not necessarily new; a lot of people are probably already familiar with it; just new to me

It’s somewhat similar to something I’ve tried (with limited success) to discuss before, under descriptions like “connection” or “FWB$” or “P4P friend.”  A professor of sociology who has studied prostitution and the changes in recent years came up with the term, I think.  It’s a bit clinical-sounding, perhaps, but in a way it does capture what I’ve been thinking about:

bounded authenticity

Here’s an excerpt from a paper the professor wrote:

Drawing from fieldwork and interviews with middle-class sex workers, this essay considers the relationship between the class-privileged women and men who are increasingly finding their way into sex work and more generalized patterns of economic restructuring. How has the emergence of new communications technologies transformed the meaning and experience of sexual commerce for sex workers and their customers? What is the connection between the new `respectability’ of sexual commerce and the new classes of individuals who now participate in commercial sexual transactions? This essay concludes by exploring some of the key transformations that are occurring within middle-class commercial sexual encounters, including the emergence of `bounded authenticity’ (an authentic, yet bounded, interpersonal connection) as a particularly desirable and sought-after sexual commodity.

(emphasis added)  And here is a brief mention from a book she wrote (click to “look inside” and flip to page 6) :

Elaborating on these theoretical efforts, and following Luker’s and D’Emilio’s analyses of the emergence of a relational sexual ethic during the rise of industrial capitalism, it is my claim that the proliferation of forms of service work, the new global information economy, and “postmodern” families peopled by isolable individuals have produced another profound transformation in the erotic sphere.  Both the traditional “procreative” and the modern “companionate” models of sexuality are increasingly being supplemented by what sociologist Edward Laumann and his colleagues have referred to as a “recreational” sexual ethic.  Instead of being premised on marital or even durable relationships, the recreational sexual ethic derives its primary meaning from the depth of physical sensation and from emotionally bounded exchange — what I here term bounded authenticity.

(emphasis added)

Well, it will never be popular, as opposed to academic jargon, but it has a certain ring to it.  It contains two key concepts: in at least some P4P encounters there is something that (1) is real, but also (2) limited, and that will not (in most cases) go beyond the boundaries of the paid encounter.

“Bounded authenticity.”  I like it. :)

13 Responses to “A new term”

  1. Alexa said

    Interesting that you’d post about this. I read Dr. Bernstein’s book for a class a short time ago and I remember that phrase sticking out to me at the time, and recall thinking the context in which she used it was perfect. I think the concept fits what someone who tries to provide a true GFE is all about. We create an authentic encounter within the context of the professional, commercial relationship we have with our clients – bounded authenticity.

    I’m actually impressed that you’ve (apparently) read (part of) the book as well. It is well written (though dry) and she does an excellent job or capturing the essence of the sex trade for the most part.

  2. lehuh said

    In my opinion, that’s just more evidence that the line between p4p and dating is becoming less clear. Each has always had elements of the other and it appears that each is becoming more like the the other.

  3. Chevalier said

    Hi Alexa,

    Thanks for stopping by; it’s nice to hear more from someone who has actually read the book.

    I’m actually impressed that you’ve (apparently) read (part of) the book as well.

    Unfortunately, no. I just ran across a mention of it yesterday. I’ve had time only to glance at the information about it on Amazon. It does sound interesting, and I think I’d enjoy reading it. Of course, reading it at home might be problematic because of the “What are you reading? Why?” questions that might arise. And lately it seems that I have little time for serious reading anyway. After 12 or 14 hours at work, wrestling with complicated issues that make my head spin, when I come home I’m more likely to watch some mindless movie on TV, read the newspaper or newsmagazines, or possibly read light/entertaining fiction. I have a lot of serious books in my “to read soon” pile, but I get to it only sporadically. I’ve become a bit of a dilettante. *sigh*

    But it’s so rare that an outsider looks at P4P accurately and without immediate condemnation . . . that I may make a special effort here. :)

    I think the concept fits what someone who tries to provide a true GFE is all about. We create an authentic encounter within the context of the professional, commercial relationship we have with our clients – bounded authenticity.

    I like the concept because it distinguishes some ladies from the overworked, misappropriate, and misused term “GFE.” There are a lot of ladies who are portrayed as GFE that do not fit with the bounded authenticity concept. And I also like the term because the words are so neatly intertwined: the ladies can offer the authenticity largely because it is bounded. If a client tries to move the boundaries — intensify the relationship or expand beyond the confines of the appointment — that in itself can destroy the authenticity.

  4. Chevalier said

    it appears that each is becoming more like the other

    Dr. Bernstein’s work, at least from what I’ve seen, seems to address how P4P is changing to become more like dating. Since I haven’t participating in “civilian dating” for a long time, I’d be interested in perspectives about how dating has changed in recent years to become more like P4P. It’s probably obvious to most people, but not to me. :)

    This does remind me, though, of a comment from that article about sugar daddies:

    “When these sugar-daddy relationships go the way I think they should go, the lines are pretty blurry between that and a typical boyfriend-girlfriend relationship,” she said. “And when they go the way I don’t think they should go, the lines are blurry between that and sex work.”

  5. lehuh said

    [quote]Since I haven’t participating in “civilian dating” for a long time, I’d be interested in perspectives about how dating has changed in recent years to become more like P4P. [/quote]
    Apart from the client-centric aspect of p4p and the currency, online dating is basically the same as p4p through an escort board. Conversely, if women on dating sites required a fee for a date, and the guys posted opinions of the date, you’d have an escort board.

    Imagine a p4p board where the fees for escorts are negligible, the men still outnumber the women and sex isn’t a sure thing at the first session. However, it probably is after one or two more, if escort and client liked each other enough at the first session to schedule a second. Add to that, the escorts retire and come back more frequently and you almost have an online dating site.

    The equivalent of a plan A, plan B, and plan C is a plan A through plan Z where guys mass mail dozens or more women, hoping one pans out. There are a lot of flakes, both men and women, on online dating sites, so that isn’t much different. Another similarity is that guys who aren’t idiots have a fairly easy time getting dates while idiots who send messages like “Hi let’s fuck,” can’t spell, or can’t write a coherent sentence, can’t get a date.

  6. Chevalier said

    Oh.

    [insert Aggie High-Five]

    I never did the online dating thing, and it never occurred to me. Now that you mention it, yes, that does seem (from what little I’ve heard about it) as though it’s moving in the direction of a P4P model.

    Conversely, if women on dating sites required a fee for a date, and the guys posted opinions of the date, you’d have an escort board.

    That raises an interesting possibility. I wouldn’t expect an explicit fee for a date . . . but I wonder if sometime in the future a limited “opinion” functionality might be implemented. I woulnd’t expect it to be very explicit or like a review, but perhaps feedback as to personality, etc.? One weakness of any ad, whether online dating or P4P or for that matter consumer products/services, is that self-description is not always accurate.

  7. lehuh said

    That raises an interesting possibility. I wouldn’t expect an explicit fee for a date . . . but I wonder if sometime in the future a limited “opinion” functionality might be implemented.

    Some women do make it clear they are looking for a sugar daddy. Others are less direct, but nonetheless, not too subtle, e.g., “You better have a good job,” “I am high maintenance,” “I like expensive gifts,” etc.

    I woulnd’t expect it to be very explicit or like a review, but perhaps feedback as to personality, etc.?

    It’s already like that. How about “Testmonials,”
    and ranking photos? Personally, I think p4p will eventually be just another acceptable way to date. The fees will drop, but hooking up will involve at least some personal interest. Give it another 20 years. That will certainly put an end to prostitution in a rather unexpected way.

  8. lehuh said

    Sorry about screwing up the quotes. If you wish to fix them, be my guest.

  9. Chevalier said

    I’ll be damned.

    Ranking photos seems a bit different, if it’s just “is this photo hot.” If it goes beyond to “is this photo accurate,” though, yeah, that’s approaching the P4P review standard.

    And “Testimonials”?? I honestly didn’t know these sites did that, or that people used them. I guess I just don’t get out enough.

    Based on that, yeah, online dating is becoming surprisingly close to P4P. I suppose even after 20 years, there will be some differences at the ends of the spectrum: some things that resemble traditional dating, without a fee; and some P4P that is purely about physical release rather than personal interest. But there won’t be as clear a delineation between dating and P4P as I assumed.

    Thanks for the report. I learn something new every day.

  10. lehuh said

    This is slightly off topic, but…

    I guess I just don’t get out enough.

    Well, I wouldn’t have either had it not been for a couple of different blog entries you made posing the rhetorical question about how many 30 something year-old women would be interested in a guy in his 50’s. After you said that several times, I began to wonder just how easy it would be for an older guy to attract younger women without directly paying a fee upfront.

    The answer, believe it or not, being able to write something coherent without misspelled words in something that resembles English, goes a lot further than you might imagine. I have somewhat of a disadvantage relative to you, as I state specifically that anyone looking for financial stability or responsibility should look elsewhere.

    Being married, however, is a handicap for you, but there are married men and women looking for affairs (as well as people lokking for threesomes – sometimes one girl looking or two guys). If you were single, your chances of dating regularly would be very good. Getting laid is harder, but most people sort of assume it’s going to happen in 2 or 3 dates.

    Strangely enough, I’ve run across several escorts, (3 or 4, I think), who advertise on aspd and p411. They were looking for real dates, though.

    The dynamics are, of course different, but not that different.

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  12. Fascinating…
    I’ve recently played all 3 roles, though I’m phasing out the mainstream dating mainly because I meet better quality thru escorting and sugarbabe, and I need to get caught up financially.

    I love that term “bounded authenticity”! It totally describes the ideal experience. I need to go buy the book now :)

    I’ve had long term benefactors turn sugardaddys, and the most successful sugardaddy relationships started out with the guys paying up before we spent time in private. Does that make it escorting by a different name? I expect the same financially, so don’t feel like I’m competing against myself.

    The main difference between escorting and the sugar-babe role for me, is the ability to screen. For this reason, I LOVE escorting and consider it much safer than meeting most sugardaddys (who don’t want to give personal info). In my escort persona, there is the business/professional affiliations angle so I can demand more info, it’s just more straightforward due to having a site with expectations clearly stated. As a sugarbabe, I’m “needing help paying bills”, and in a much less powerful position. Sugarbabes are supposedly amateur and non-pros. If I meet a guy off a Sugardaddy site and send him to my page about what I expect as a sugarbabe, would that make me a “pro” (escort) or just web-savvy?

    After that, things are mostly the same. With sugardaddys who don’t initially meet me as an escort, I state my boundaries pretty clearly up front (if not in my profile). I won’t be exclusive with any man (especially married and 20+ yrs older), and I expect an allowance of XXXX/month or XXX per evening together. Escorting can tend to be less committed, up front, than a sugarbabe relationship (depending on the guy). My boundaries and expectations are the same with both sugardaddys and those I meet as an escort.

    So, to me, relationships fall into two categories defined by boundaries and expectations (but no more or less less intimate and connected):
    1- Give me the mammoth up front — sugardaddy/patron type relationships where I get lots of resources in a short amount of time, and am totally seduced. I want to keep the larger upfront gifts coming, so the boundaries are authentic but manipulative in the sense that I’m motivated to keep the passion and infatuation flowing.
    2- Hunt for me over time — mainstream relationships, more based on how much a guy is likely to provide and care for me in the longer term. How he is accepted by my friends and family is a big factor, as are his career goals and companionship compatibility (similar activity level, taste in food, shared goals, etc).

    … just my drivel way too late at night …

  13. Chevalier said

    Rachael,

    Welcome to my little corner of the Internet. Thanks for stopping by, and for your comments. It’s always nice to learn something new from those who have had different experiences. :)

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