Participation
Posted by Chevalier on March 10, 2008
I wrote, awhile back, that in general we shouldn’t care about whether random and anonymous strangers on a P4P board respected us. But it occurs to me that there is a distinct issue — whether the board as a whole, either the majority of the members or ownership as represented by the staff, wants to insist on participation and contribution as a requirement for remaining a member.
That I consider perfectly legitimate.
The “I don’t respect people who don’t review/contribute” threads are annoying only because that particular board (ASPD) has established what it considered the acceptable level of participation. For general lurking on public parts of the board, no active participation is required at all. For access to other parts of the board, with (arguably) more valuable information, either contribute reviews or contribute $$$. That, in their opinion, is what’s best for the board from the owner’s perspective, regardless of whether it irritates some members.
Since I paid for a Lifetime BCD membership of ASPD five or six years ago, I meet the board’s standards for what the owner considers acceptable. Given that, I don’t care whether introuble, fubar, or TexasDave55 think I’m a leech. Nothing personal, but I don’t let them or other anonymous strangers define my sense of self-worth.
If ASPD required something more than I was contributing or had contributed, though? Perfectly legitimate. I don’t think such standards often accomplish much in the way of changes in people’s behavior or additional valuable participation. If people aren’t inclined to participate, even the threat of losing access to a site they consider useful, it will at most result in them trying to skate by with the bare minimum. Arguably, that’s already a problem with reviews on ASPD — people who post reviews to gain BCD access but throw together a review in a few minutes and hope it qualifies. And complain if it’s rejected for BCD credit. (Including, while I was on staff, someone who today is one of the biggest complainers about useless reviews . . . but at the time bitched quite a bit after one of his reviews was rejected.
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So imposing minimum participation standards rarely actually increases valuable participation, it probably just adds a bit of fluff posts/comments by people trying to maintain their membership and eliminates some people not interested in even making that much of an effort. But that’s OK too. If nothing more, those who remain know that the board is important to all the rest of the members, which can enhance the feeling of community and make everyone more comfortable. It can be more tight-knit. That is certainly a legitimate and worthwhile objective. Not the only way to run a P4P board, but a reasonable choice.
If ASPD changed its standards, I probably wouldn’t start participating and contributing more just to remain a member. But more power to them if they deleted me from the board as a result. I’d admire them for having the courage of their convictions and sticking to their guns.
I just won’t conform my behavior to the desires of a vocal minority, if I don’t find their suggestions persuasive.
FatManHobbyist said
I agree that it is the legitimate right of board owners to set any rule they wish. That comes with ownership. But I also agree with your statement of “I don’t think such standards often accomplish much in the way of changes in people’s behavior or additional valuable participation.”
There is a very old (by internet standards) observation about the “Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists”. Emailing lists are the ancestors of web forums.
I feel that ASPD is at least at level 5 and flirting with 6a. It is still growing because of the growth of internet hobbying and the nature of the subject naturally minimizing competing forums. With the size of ASPD and the makeup of the membership, I am not sure if 6b is even possible. I certainly hope so.
ASPD’s model is apparently working well in generating quality content and sufficient funds to pay the light bills. It is also the model for most online content businesses. You have a free “basic” membership and then can get the “pro” membership only through donations or contributions.
Personally, I think that there should be more delineation between anonymous new posters and active members for access to content. Or at least something that prevents newbies from stepping in their own messes. Rather than hazing as an ASPD rite of passage, it might be beneficial to restrict posting in the Reviews or Co-Ed Discussions forums until the member has been with the board for some time or otherwise gotten a feel for the social mores of the community.
But then again, ASPD has done pretty well managing their growth without my input.
FatManHobbyist said
Fix the quote for me, Chev? Thanks!
Chevalier said
FMH,
Thanks — interesting observation about life cycles.
Of course, the big advantage that ASPD has is that it’s difficult to reproduce a lot of the benefits on another board. Rather than a business generating content for its customers, the content of a P4P board is generated by its members. Chicken/egg problem — you need to offer as much or more content as an established board in order to draw a large volume of members, but you need a large volume of members to generate that content. So other boards may provide a friendly community and some discussion among the members of the community, but cannot easily “replace” the larger, established boards; and the new board can only grow significantly larger and generate a significant level of discussions to the extent that people have the time and are willing to participate actively in multiple boards. Some people are, but a lot just find one board that meets most of their needs and concentrate their participation there, while just browsing other boards.
Anyway, only the future will tell.
P.S. Fixed the quote.
fatmanhobbyist said
A “critical mass” must be reached in any market in order for there to be significant activity. Not enough seller activity? Few buyers will participate. Which means it is a less attractive market for sellers. And so on.
ASPD has that critical mass. But reading the early history seems that they too struggled with the same issue. Of course, they had the first mover advantage so naturally attracted the new sellers and buyers in the market.
Now if hobbying were not illegal and a social taboo, it would be infinitely easier to build that critical mass in a new community.
Chevalier said
Oops! Had a bad link above (comment #3); fixed now.